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	<title>Comments on: More conspiracy-mongering about anti-depressants (revised)</title>
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		<title>By: conour</title>
		<link>http://skullsinthestars.com/2008/01/19/more-conspiracy-mongering-about-antidepressants/#comment-8436</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 15:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am %100sure that antidepressaints are pioson my cusin  has been an antidepressaints sence she was  6 because her dad is a peace of shit  and she lived with my  famly for a while and we would wake up to hear screaming her head off and and the second someone would run in there she would turn in  to the happiest person everyone i know who is not retarted that took  antidepressants includuing my self says that  they are poison and im pritty shur that that 6 year old that killed himself with  a a garden hose would think so too. DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDont taaaake antidepressants they  turn you into an emotionless zombie  like person]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am %100sure that antidepressaints are pioson my cusin  has been an antidepressaints sence she was  6 because her dad is a peace of shit  and she lived with my  famly for a while and we would wake up to hear screaming her head off and and the second someone would run in there she would turn in  to the happiest person everyone i know who is not retarted that took  antidepressants includuing my self says that  they are poison and im pritty shur that that 6 year old that killed himself with  a a garden hose would think so too. DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDont taaaake antidepressants they  turn you into an emotionless zombie  like person</p>
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		<title>By: ZDNet Healthcare mobile edition</title>
		<link>http://skullsinthestars.com/2008/01/19/more-conspiracy-mongering-about-antidepressants/#comment-688</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] patients to think scientific studies are being gamed plays into the raving paranoia which sits just below the surface, leading to patients not following their doctors&#8217; advice and, as voters, turning against the [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] patients to think scientific studies are being gamed plays into the raving paranoia which sits just below the surface, leading to patients not following their doctors&#8217; advice and, as voters, turning against the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: skullsinthestars</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 02:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mark wrote: &quot;I can’t speak for other disciplines, but in the biological sciences it’s tough to get negative data into print regardless of whether the study addresses the clinical relevance of a drug or the developmental pathways of a nematode.&quot;

Well put!  Similar problems certainly arise in physics.  Your observation is a good reminder that the peer-review process has significant weaknesses in it, and that those weaknesses aren&#039;t addressed as much as they should be.  &quot;Outsiders&quot; fail to realize, however, that those flaws are not necessarily evidence of a grand conspiracy as much as evidence of the human side of science.  

I&#039;m afraid to ask about the &#039;great international nematode conspiracy&#039;! (GINC?)  :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark wrote: &#8220;I can’t speak for other disciplines, but in the biological sciences it’s tough to get negative data into print regardless of whether the study addresses the clinical relevance of a drug or the developmental pathways of a nematode.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well put!  Similar problems certainly arise in physics.  Your observation is a good reminder that the peer-review process has significant weaknesses in it, and that those weaknesses aren&#8217;t addressed as much as they should be.  &#8220;Outsiders&#8221; fail to realize, however, that those flaws are not necessarily evidence of a grand conspiracy as much as evidence of the human side of science.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid to ask about the &#8216;great international nematode conspiracy&#8217;! (GINC?)  <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mark Frey</title>
		<link>http://skullsinthestars.com/2008/01/19/more-conspiracy-mongering-about-antidepressants/#comment-680</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 01:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;It could be a conspiracy to hide the negative results of drugs that don’t work, or it could be the peer-review process supporting the reality that the drugs do work!&quot;

Very true. There&#039;s also a third factor at play here that the conspiracy theorists are likely to ignore (in part because it is admittedly a fine point to anyone who is not trying to maintain a career in research): the built-in bias of a peer-review process that requires manuscripts to &quot;significantly advance the field&quot; to be publishable. This is usually interpreted by editors and referees as &quot;show something new to be likely true&quot; and only rarely as &quot;rule out some obvious possibilities or widely-held assumptions.&quot;

I can&#039;t speak for other disciplines, but in the biological sciences it&#039;s tough to get negative data into print regardless of whether the study addresses the clinical relevance of a drug or the developmental pathways of a nematode. So some studies which fail to show positive results with drugs are probably disappearing not for nefarious reasons, but because nobody is interested in spending ink on them when they could be publishing something more exciting. 

This phenomenon wastes a lot of research time and money, actually, as several labs will often pursue experiments that already didn&#039;t work but were not published because no journal wanted the negative data. 

Don&#039;t get me started on the great international nematode conspiracy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It could be a conspiracy to hide the negative results of drugs that don’t work, or it could be the peer-review process supporting the reality that the drugs do work!&#8221;</p>
<p>Very true. There&#8217;s also a third factor at play here that the conspiracy theorists are likely to ignore (in part because it is admittedly a fine point to anyone who is not trying to maintain a career in research): the built-in bias of a peer-review process that requires manuscripts to &#8220;significantly advance the field&#8221; to be publishable. This is usually interpreted by editors and referees as &#8220;show something new to be likely true&#8221; and only rarely as &#8220;rule out some obvious possibilities or widely-held assumptions.&#8221;</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t speak for other disciplines, but in the biological sciences it&#8217;s tough to get negative data into print regardless of whether the study addresses the clinical relevance of a drug or the developmental pathways of a nematode. So some studies which fail to show positive results with drugs are probably disappearing not for nefarious reasons, but because nobody is interested in spending ink on them when they could be publishing something more exciting. </p>
<p>This phenomenon wastes a lot of research time and money, actually, as several labs will often pursue experiments that already didn&#8217;t work but were not published because no journal wanted the negative data. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me started on the great international nematode conspiracy.</p>
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